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| <Freddy>
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Quote: I just had to quote this from the Moving On blog as a good friend of ours is experiencing the EXACT same situation as his marriage falls apart. After almost the same amount of years, his wife hit him with this bombshell and he's now a wreck. Feel free to throw in your comments as you see fit or simply read it as a warning to make DAMN SURE you know what your doing and where your head is at before you make the commitment! |
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Handy with the wood |
As a topic that's near and dear to my heart I'd like to make a few comments. Being one of the few couples I know that has successfully made it back from separation, affairs, and one phone call away from filing the paperwork has put a lot more into perspective for me.
I truly beleive you get out what you put in. If you sit on autopilot for years, don't be surprised if the love goes the same way until you can't figure out how to regain control of it. If you have doubts, talk to your partner and don't keep them in. We just recently had a couple friend of ours cancel their wedding on the day it was supposed to happen. They both agreed it was the right thing to do. though we hated to see them go through it, they've both got issues that aren't making them click correctly as a couple. It was probably one of the smartest, bravest, and best decisions I've seen anyone make for a long time. Last point, don't listen to everyone else. Listen to what you truly think and what your partner has to say. This is ultimately what saved our marriage. WE decided to say fuck everyone else and their opinions of where our relationship was going, what sides our friends were on, and we decided to make it work. There is an excellent book on the topic of marriage, divorce, and separation that I read called "Love Must be Tough" It is a little preachy at times, but the message is the best one I've seen whether you get divorced or stay together. Freddy, please recommend this to your friend. It helped save me emotionally during some very dark times. |
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Handy with the wood |
This book deals with all the topics including a scenario very similar to that where the couple is living together-separated. Basically it's almost a how-to guide on keeping your chin up and keeping your sanity through everything plus it helps to put into perspective both sides.
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This was one of the first posts I read on this site before we reviewed it. It's poignant, to say the least.
While our situation is WAY different, I know what it's like to be sitting literally one step away from wreckage in a marriage. ***disclaimer*** I have just realized I might write a novel here... you're warned. Ranger and his ex wife got married because 'it was time'. They had been together for years and pretty much got married on a whim. As an example, they came home and the first thing he said to his mother was, "Mom, don't be mad, but..." followed by the marriage announcement. Well then. I'll let Ranger tell the Marry Me Friday story if he so chooses. The marriage failed for so many reasons it would be impossible to remember them all in one day. But the biggest part of that was the fact that they didn't get married for the right reasons. They are better friends than lovers. What would frustrate me about your friend's situation is that he never knew anything was wrong until the bomb was dropped. I wonder what has been going on in her mind for all those years if she just threw something like that in his lap all at once with no warning. Did she bother to think about the consequences? Did she bother to think that her expectations of the situation were just a little skewed? I guess something just doesn't quite sit right with me about that. I keep reading your post and that twinge of disquiet is insistent. I think if he's having really bad problems with it, the most important thing for him to do is see a counselor. Even if the relationship goes through a spiked wringer, he can at least get help with coping strategies and grief assistance. In situations like this, maybe the "Three Cs" could help him. He didn't CAUSE it He can't CONTROL it He can't CURE it It's a mantra with me on Ranger's bad days. And you never know when he'll trigger and a great day turns into absolute chaos. Coping strategies are the most important thing in my mind when chaos has invaded your life without permission. Ang |
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| <seXXnpassion>
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I'm divorced. I was with the guy 11 years. He ditched our son, and it's still causing my son pain and problems now at age 12. Back to the therapist...AGAIN. I feel horrible, because I brought a child into the world with such a lame, pathetic and selfish man. But...I did the best I could at the time. I am older and wiser now than I was at age 25 when I married him. So in retrospect there was not much I could have done to change things.
Divorce sucks, but it's always the kids who suffer most. However, they suffer more when stuck in the middle of a bad marriage. I am glad I divorced and then met and married a wonderful man who adopted my son. Jen |
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| <Freddy>
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I apologize for probing, but did you love this man (from your 1st marriage, that is) from the beginning or did you have misgivings when you made the decision to marry him?
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After reading this session of posts, I went down stairs and cooked my wife dinner. I ran her a hot bath and lit the candles for her to relax by. I turned on some retro music (Thanks Rain) and told her how much I love her. She looked at me funny, smiled and kissed me. As I looked in on her sleeping in the tub, I thanked each and every one of you. Sometimes I just need to be reminded to take it off auto pilot and drive for a while..... Reminded to be the man I wished to be when I met my wife and fell in love..... Thanks for the reminder. Chance |
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| <Freddy>
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I find this to be the most easiest and most rewarding behavior.
Husbands/boyfriends take heed of this post... |
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enthusiast |
You said you didn't know how the woman could do that to the man. I pretty much did it right out of left field for him. I had been "out" of the marriage for at least a year when Idid what I did to make him sit up and notice. It ended it to but that was what I wanted. I have always felt guilty that I wasn't a better wife or that I did something wrong. I knew when we got married that if either of us left or ended it it would be me. By the end of our marriage we were living like roommate and I was growing very resentful of him. We did try a few couselling sessions but the counsellor didn't get why we were there. We never ever fought about anything. Thats not to say we were always in agreement. I often got more response from the wall. Sometimes I think that had we fought it would have been better for us.
We just signed our seperation agreement and sold our house and even though I am happier "alone" it was very emotional and upsetting for both of us. Our child actually got her dad through this because he actually started paying attention to the child instead of telling me to keep things quiet and never being home when we were. Chance you are such a wonderful guy and I hope your wife knows and appreciates that. Thanks for posting so we can all see that there are a few of you good guys out there (guys don't all start emailing me I know the good guys are on this site! ) |
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| <Freddy>
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Thanks for the insight, Tig.
Maybe we should start a new thread on the things we men do to make our ladies feel special? How about it, fellas? Ladies, maybe you can post on what the man/men in your life do that make YOU feel special? Oh, fuck it, I'll put a new thread right now... |
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Dearest Chance,
I just want to hug you, you big Hunk of Texan you! The simple things in life can make your worst day the brightest. I'm sure your wife is glowing, and doesn't it make your heart seem to overflow?! Professor of Passion 101, class has begun. ![]() |
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| <Freddy>
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I'm taking notes, darling...
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Get a website!
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| <seXXnpassion>
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Freddy asked me: "I apologize for probing, but did you love this man (from your 1st marriage, that is) from the beginning or did you have misgivings when you made the decision to marry him?"
I loved him very much. But it was probably a dysfunctional kind of love. My parents were/are both alcoholics and I was the poster child for Co-Dependency when I got married the first time. I did love my ex, even when we decided to call it quits, even after all the bad stuff I had endured. I called it quits only because he was not making any effort to change things. He came right out and said if I was waiting for him to change I could forget it, because he planned to do even MORE of the things I didn't like (like going out to bars with a single guy, planning to go on a gambling trip for the first time with a gambling addict, nice things like that.) For him it was that I either had to keep accepting status quo or worse. Or else he was ready to just divorce, just like that. I had never once mentioned divorce or separation during our 11 years together, yet the very day I mentioned it he said he was going to move back to North Carolina (we live in PA). He was going to just up and move away and leave Nathan who was 3! I said, "How can you leave Nathan?!" and my ex yelled, "I deserve to be happy, too." But you know, he is a miserable person. He became more miserable and angry as he got older. I said to him, "You are always miserable," and he said, "But that's not your fault," and I said, "But I have to live with your misery and your bad attitude every day." Nothing made him happy. He married a woman who is a major rage-a-holic. I take joy in that because I am a narrow-minded person in regards to my ex. He has fucked up poor Nathan, so I just don't have any spirit of generosity, sympathy or kindness towards him. |
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